There were three letters in total. The below is the first which gives you an explanation as to what I was complaining about, the second was much the same because I received a stock answer and the third was my juvenile way of responding to a second stock answer…
29th January 2010
Dear Sirs,
I write to complain of the treatment I received at the hands of your staff at your Sainsbury’s branch in Chaddesden, Derby.
I arrived with my partner with the specific intention of purchasing a bottle of wine and was asked for identification. I gladly offered my ID and thanked Ruth for her flattery. I was taken aback that she interrupted me mid-sentence to demand Identification from my partner.
I will point out that my partner had just finished her shift at the hospital and was still dressed in midwifery attire and so was either clearly over the age of 18 or had constructed the most elaborate plan in history simply to stand next to me whilst I legally purchased a bottle of wine. She didn’t however have identification and I was flatly refused my purchase.
Ruth suggested that my partner and I might go “drink it in the car-park”. Humiliated, I countered that I fully intended to drink it at home and that there was no law against my partner being stood with me whilst I made my purchase. Ruth advised me that company policy meant that she couldn’t serve me despite the fact that I am 28 years old and holding identification simply because my 20 year old partner could not prove her age.
I might also point out that Ruth suggested I “go to Asda”. Perhaps you should consider coaching your staff not to recommend your competitors. If one of my members of staff recommended a competitor then disciplinary action would swiftly follow.
If I return the next day without my partner will Ruth refuse to serve me because my partner might be waiting outside?
This is surely policy gone mad and policing me simply because we are a young couple. I would go as far as to call it discrimination. If I had been 10 years older and been in attendance with my 5 year old daughter would Ruth have asked my 5 year old daughter for identification? I would think not.
I understand that your policy is to ensure that gangs of youths do not use the oldest of their group to buy them alcohol and then cause mischief around the local area. It was quite clear being that my partner was still dressed in hospital garb and that I was purchasing a bottle of wine that we were not youths out to cause mischief. I therefore have to conclude that being as Ruth has no prior knowledge of me as a member of society that this was a personal slate against me because I am a young man or because I am dating a young woman.
Disgusted I returned to my car but then decided I wasn’t satisfied and returned to the store without my partner in the hope of speaking to a manager with some common sense. I challenged the policy stating that seeing as I had now entered the store alone and with identification that there was no reason not to serve me.
I was refused this time on the grounds that I had already been “refused once this evening”. It was at this point that I asked for her manager who accused me of “going round in circles” and then asked for the duty manager who in appearance can’t have been older than 20 himself. He couldn’t answer my questions either, perhaps you can…
Question 1. How long do I have to leave it between attempts to buy alcohol after being refused? Do I have to wait several hours until I can return alone to buy alcohol? Do I need to wait until the next day, the next working day? The next week, or a month?
Question 2. If I return to buy alcohol the next day without my partner what is to stop me returning home with the alcohol and giving it to her. Your manager’s suggest nothing, in which case I don’t think the policy is helping your cause, it is simply offending your genuine customers and costing you sales.
Question 2. How old must my accompanying party appear before they start to ask questions? i.e. if I attend with my daughter will she be asked for identification if she looks 12-17 or is it something about me personally that gives off the air of a reckless youth out to fuel minors with alcohol?
You’ll see from the history on my Nectar card (number at the top of this letter) that I have been a patron of yours for some years and spent considerable amounts of money fuelling my car, buying video games and purchasing food.
I would like to be provided with a copy of your staff policy on selling alcohol so that I may avoid disappointment in future. If your policy has been incorrectly followed then I would like a formal apology, if it has been correctly followed then I would appreciate you letting me know so that I may boycott Sainsbury’s from here on in.
I would like to suggest compensation for my petrol, the inconvenience and my embarrassment, I don’t mind if this is in the form of nectar points.
Assuming that the three individuals that dealt with me have misunderstood your policy I would also like some assurances that they will be coached when and when not to enforce it as they have served to make me feel like a criminal and they have insulted me by suggesting I would date a minor.
I took the liberty of taking their names…
Ruth Porter – Kiosk attendant
Toni Eastwood – Ruth’s manager
Peter Meeks – Duty Manager
I look forward to your response.
Kind Regards,
Paul Hibbert
Mr. Neil Ditchfield,
Sainsbury’s Supermarkets LTD,
33, Holborn,
London,
EC1N 2HT
Dear Mr. Ditchfield,
Thanks for your lackadaisical response.
Allow me to retort with your level of ignorance and derision.
Being as you have thus far been so thankful for my feedback I thought I’d give you some final recommendations; Contained alongside this letter are carefully shaped pieces of my Nectar card, If you can get your head out of the way long enough then I advise you to take one piece anally for every ASDA receipt I send to you over the coming weeks.
Let me know when you run out of my pieces and I shall start sending Nectar cards from my friends and family.
Please don’t consider this epistle in any way a slight on you or your company, the sentences contained herein are mere feedback and recommendations that I intend to publish, in your online forum, twitter, facebook and in both the metro and the grocer if they will so entertain me.
You’ll notice that the media is thoroughly enjoying exposing Tesco for their ludicrous policies on what attire is acceptable to enter their stores, I’m sure my little fiasco will titillate them to an accident in their trousers.
I duly note an almost Darth Vader like inconsistency in your position, almost like you were considering doing the right thing but changed your mind at the last second and decided to be a tw*t instead…
Neil Ditchfield: “I agree with the points you made in your letter and I think I would feel the same as you”
Neil Ditchfield: “There have been cases similar to your own where common sense would tell you that the alcohol is not going to be consumed by a minor”
Neil Ditchfield: “They did nothing wrong in refusing to serve you”
You sir, are a cavalcade of inconsistency.
Congratulations once again for pitting your well thought out words against your letterhead on page 2 for the second time, the letter head won. Do you embarrass yourself to this degree in every correspondence with your customers or just the ones that point out your over-zealous policies, ludicrous formatting mistakes and personal failings as a human?
I have included for you a map plotting my new course to ASDA each lunch time; I have drawn it in the manner to which you are accustomed, feel free to put it on your staff fridge. I intend to ferry all of my staff straight past your uppity hovel to spend their hard earned wages elsewhere.
I bought my crayons at ASDA. Once I’ve finished getting her wrecked on Rose wine maybe I can let my 20 year old girlfriend play with them.
I gave you 3 simple requests.
1. Discipline your staff on the correct use of your policy
2. Compensate me in some small way with a nominal amount of Nectar points
3. Escalate my previous letters to the attention of your manager
To express my derision I have farted once on my nectar card for each request that you have failed to fulfil. Consider this my final feedback.
I hope you still look forward to “seeing me in store soon”. I relish the disappointment you now face.
I fully understand your position and in fact support you in it; if I could put that nectar card up your *rse myself then believe me, I would.
Roll back Roll back,
Paul Hibbert
Aged 28 and a half
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Attached with my letter was my nectar card cut into the shape of the word Asda, an Asda receipt for my crayons, and a crayon diagram of my new route to Asda bypassing Sainsburys.
I am elated that you agreed to publish this 🙂 Thank you.
-P
I love this, i have read it a couple of times now and laughed harder each time.
roll back roll back.
brilliant.
Dear Mr Hibbert
These are the first letters i have read on this site and i thought they were brilliantly written. Thank you for a really funny but truthful read
Dear Mr Hibbert
Have no idea how to work the star rating but top marks
Thank you 🙂
If you were interested in the cut up card and the crayon picture they can be viewed at http://www.ubersite.com/m/124553
-P
sorry to say, but thats sad.
look at you getting out your big words to show how disgruntled you’re getting about not being served.
I mean, as if you didnt just think oh well and try get served somewhere else. That or do this thing called:
use your brain, and take out ID with you.
I think this is entirely sad, sad, sad.
I say again
get a grip.
P.s. You just got served.
Think you may be in the wrong place son. Big words and complaints are kind of the intention of the site.
What did you come here looking for?
Did you also serve me at McDonald’s?
-P
I think you have blown this out of proportion, if you had decided to go to a pub/restaurant for alcohol then you both would have both been ID then even if you where buying the alcohol for just yourself, just because its in a different enviorment (supermarket) doesnt mean the rules on getting asked for ID for alcohol change. Nearly every alcohol lisenced company follows the policy of asking people who look around the age of 25 and under get asked for ID and if the is more than one person then all the other party will get asked to.
Mr H – I arrive late to this site but I have to contact you to say how much I HEART you!! You might be a dodgy old paedo who preys on young girls, attempting to ply them with alcohol to, no doubt, assist you in your wicked ways, but you still get the big thumbs up from me!
In return, may I share a summary of my trip to Primark? Stay with me, I know Primark is in the gutter but I feel a responsibility to keep those third world children employed…so, I had a mega shopping splurge at the Marble Arch store and, having sorted through my bagfuls at home – slightly embarrassed to say I had 19 items in total (don’t judge me, I’m depressed) – decided to return 2 tshirts and 1 skirt to my local branch in Leytonstone (smaller queues).
On retrieving my receipt I noticed that I had been charged twice for the skirt and realised, with heavy heart, that I would have to tackle this at the same time as I asked for my refunds. The queue for the (ahem) customer service advisor consisted of one person, so I thought, ‘lovely, won’t be here long’; doh! 15 minutes later the pre-pubescent lad had managed to complete the customer’s refund/exchange with only 2 errors along the way (which the customer had to correct as he hadn’t a clue).
I then explained my complex predicament and his face went completely blank; he had no choice but to ring his buzzer upon which a slighter older (post puberty) boy arrived, walky-talky in hand and the 2 huddled together for a whisper. The youngest returned and said ‘you’ll have to take all the items back to Marble Arch.’ I asked for an explanation of why this was necessary and was given the same response. I said ‘so, in order for me to get back the £12 your company took from me, I have to go home, repack 19 items and get the tube to Marble Arch? And what will happen then?’ He replied ‘they will tick them off…’ Biting my lip, I asked for the manager and a girl of nearly 20 slunk over and repeated the identical speech, but added (and you could tell from this that she was indeed the store manager, not just some assistant) ‘it’s company policy.’
I asked what would be achieved by following this policy and she said ‘they have to tick them off and see if they’ve rung up the wrong item…’ I tried again to go down the route of common sense but got nowhere fast so changed tact, took a deep breath and thought, ‘What would Mary Portas do?’ So I asked for the name of the customer service director – blank faces all round. I asked to speak to someone senior who could explain the policy to me – this time she pointed to the receipt and said ‘the address is on there.’
I took another deep breath and looked for her name badge – none present so I asked her for her name…her reply was ‘Gemma’, so I said ‘how do I know you are really Gemma if you’re not wearing a company name badge?’
After exhaling I asked to continue with the refund part of my complex predicament and the 2 tshirts were duly processed but the skirt was handed back to me: ‘you’ll need to take that back to Marble Arch to get it ticked off…’ I said ‘but what about the 2 tshirts?’…’I can tick them off’ he said.
So, let’s just be clear here: Primark have £12 of my money (I accept this was not intentionally stolen from me) and in order to ‘prove’ this to them I have to carry all my purchases, less the 2 ‘ticked off’ tshirts across London for someone else to tick off. Given everything else IS correctly rung up, what then? Will the assistant say ‘I can only do the one refund on the skirt cos I haven’t got another one to tick off’??
Given my sizeable purchase, is it really plausible that a customer would go to such lengths to defraud the company of £12? By buying identical items in the same size??
I take it this is what is troubling all at Primark, hence the ‘company policy’ to cover such eventualities…
Time for my medication.
your without a doubt the most pathetic little man in existence, do yourself a favour, as your clearly have enough time to rattle on about something as meaningless as this, do something with your apparently dismal existence or end it you petty little oaf.
i have never read something so pathetic in all my life
You are the kind of person that makes these shop employees go home and cry themselves to sleep. Congratulations on being the world’s most vile customer.
What planet are you on? Cry themselves to sleep? They accused me of going to drink my wine in the car park and somehow I’m the bad guy??
Oh what a terrible man I am for making a well worded polite complaint to a company of people incapable of seeing common sense.
Grow up, there are more frightening things in this world than me
OMG, Paul Hibbet, we absolutely luuuuuuuv you!!!
You have actually just made me (clare) do a little widdle in my pants – this is hilarious!!!
After a pretty shitty day today my husband and i decided to treat ourselves to a frozen pizza and a 4 pack of beer from our local sainsbury’s. Still dressed in our work cloths (sutied and booted) we arrived at the till (7:30pm on a monday evening) only to be ID’d by Colin, the biggest gobshite i have EVER met in my life. Both of us are 27, John, my husband was doing the purchasing and i was an innocent 27yr old wife bystander!! needless to say Colin the biggest jobs worth i have ever met in my life refused to serve us even though John had ID!
We spoke to the manager, who although agreed colin the gobshite was wrong, also stated that the decision was the cashiers and that was that. What happened to the customer is always right?
We intend to wirte a strongly worded letter and i want to thank yu for your wise words that i will endeavour to copy and paste!
We have decided to not shop at Sainsbury’s anymore but maybe seen outside sainsburys in the near future waving Asda banners shouting ‘roll back, roll back’!!!!!
You, my friend, are a genius, and i pitty all the idiots on this website who are too square to appreciate your hilarity and perseverence with this cause!!!
roll back roll back!!!
Clare and John Steward
Thank you Clare and John. I was starting to question my sanity.
I have been wronged and have managed to see the funny side. I imagine my letters gave them all a good laugh and no harm has been done, and yet so many people seem to have taken offence on behalf of a very arrogant man that they’ve never even met who is clearly in the wrong.
I wonder if all of the squares above are in fact Neil Ditchfield himself masquerading as an outraged public.
Paul
You are an absolute legend – totally brilliantly worded, and thank god for people like you who stand up to these stupid jobsworths!
God knows why anyone has left bad comments about this – like you said, probably Neil Ditchfield! Why else would someone bother responding to this negatively?
Can I just quote John C above? “your without a doubt the most pathetic little man in existence, do yourself a favour, as your clearly have enough time to rattle on about something as meaningless as this, do something with your apparently dismal existence or end it you petty little oaf.
i have never read something so pathetic in all my life” – anyone else spot the irony that John has enough time in HIS dismal existence to bother responding, instead of just ignoring it 😉 Also, who can spot the many deliberate grammatical errors in his poorly written, bitter little missive!
Thanks so much for brightening my day! I am now late for work but it’s all been worth it!
Paul, I really feel for you. I was in our local sainsburys with my Grandaughter,Jade, and her 6 foot 3 inches,macho,football-playing boyfriend,Hayden,(Aged 19) The cashier refused to take payment for 6 cans of lager, “because he looked under age” (!) I offered to vouch for him,but NO,that was NOT allowed ! We thought,okay, we will just buy the food. They refused to let us pay for the food! So we came away with NOTHING ! (And I am a Greatgrandmother!!!!) See, you are not the only one ! M.
Mr Hibbert
This is really going on and on. I don’t know if your sad or brilliant.
I say keep it brief and to the point.
I hope you manage to go back to Sainsburys as they stock quality foods and it’s clean.
Paul Hibbert,
This thread may have closed but I wanted to say that I agree with you complaining 100%. All those who have blamed you or stated negative comments in response need their heads checked. It is people like them (the non-complainers) who make shopping a nightmare for others. The least staff who serve the public should do is dispense their service to customers, (who by the way are always right), in the most friendly and sincerely apologetic manner. Because of poor customer service, confusing and annoying displays and rude staff at my local Sainsbury’s, I stopped shopping there. I have been waiting for a reply to my letter sent to Head Office for three weeks now. I shan’t hold my breath but have taken my custom elsewhere – Morrison’s & Costco to be precise.
This reminds me of when I had a personal problem and had to purchase some Senokot along with my shopping at a self-service checkout. I then had to deal with a kid half my age who asked me for identification.
I couldn’t believe it; I was 30, and this was Senokot. It became somehow incumbent to me to explain what Senokot was, and what the side effects of laxative abuse were likely to be. I also pointed out that there were no psychoactive chemicals in laxatives.
Perhaps he was expecting that on the front page of the Daily Mail, there would have a photograph of me laying face down in a public toilet drownd in my own faeces? With some facetious headline: “Man overdoses on Senokot”, and a 2 page spread exclusive explaining the dangers of Senokot abuse and listing all the people who had died from it? Perhaps a petition to the house of Lords to get Senokot rebranded as a class A substance?
Even after explaining that anyone dim enough to try and get high off Senokot deserved everything they got, he didn’t give up and went off to get a manager, who came back, blushed, and gave him a clip round the earhole for being so stupid and sent me on my way with my Senokot.
There’s something very wrong with Sainsburies selection process. Very, very wrong.